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Chasing Without Knowing, Acting Without Responsibility

August 29, 2013

I previously mentioned in my review on Men On Strike that Dr. Helen Smith was excellent in being able to observe, but had very little understanding regarding why the things happen that she observes. To use a commonly observed physical example, she has observed that a ball is rolling down the street, but has not hazarded much of a guess as to what caused the ball to roll down the street. This is a logical reason why the feminists haven’t attacked Dr. Smith (video at 4:57): She’s said next to nothing that is consequential against feminism, therefore she has done nothing to damage the narrative.

This is not uncommon regarding most of the women that have set their feet on or near the manosphere or have gotten into anything related to men’s rights. For example, Dr. Smith spends time in the introduction trying to explain why a woman is writing such a book, but comes to the false conclusion that men have a “psychological barrier to standing up for their own causes” and need “the tools to identify and overcome these barriers” in dealing with “those women and men in your life whom you are afraid to confront on your way to equality” (p xviii). The truth is that men (and some women) have observed these things (as Dr. Smith has reported) and have explained them. It’s not a psychological hang-up wherein a man might get the courage to write the next book in the MSM, it’s that a man saying such things is not allowed in the mainstream, either in social settings or in book form:

I’m glad to see it getting the publicity, but ONLY a woman could write this without suffering fem-screech backlash accusations of misogyny. This is the environment we’re in today. I have no doubt that Ms. Charen will receive her share of frothing hate from ego invested Jezebels, but at least her critique will register for them. No man could write this critique and be taken seriously, and therein lies the danger in women co-opting the message the manosphere has been compiling for 12 years now. The environment is such that anything remotely critical a man might offer is instantly suspect of misogyny or personal (‘he’s bitter”) bias, however, couch that message in a female perspective, play Mrs. Doubtfire, and you’ll at least reach the audience beginning with something like validity.

While Rollo wrote this of another text, it is as much true of Dr. Smith’s work. Men have been speaking out against these things, but women are picking up the message of the legions of men who have been speaking out and running with it to greater popularity. While I agree with Dr. Helen (5:36 in the video) that more men should be standing up, but the current culture does not accept these messages from men, especially true anti-feminist messages, because it is deemed hatred of women. It’s not a matter of men being shamed as Dean Esmay (5:52) says it, but these messages simply not being acceptable from the pens or mouths of men. Again, there are legions of men that have been and are speaking out, but will never get MSM attention with their ideas. In this sense, a man could never have written this book and have had it as accepted as Dr. Smith’s book. To that point, this book had to be written by a woman for it to see the light of day. The publishers in the MSM would have never accepted this book from a man.

The rejoicing of people over this book, and earlier over the writing of Suzanne Venker shows the degree to how men are wanting to hear the message, but they are thinking no further. The reinforcement and approval of men that women such as Dr. Smith, Suzanne Venker, GirlWritesWhat, and other female bloggers receive by clumsily delving into men’s rights messages only shows how deeply ingrained traditional feminism is in the culture:

Women are the pillars of righteousness, and have the right to speak.
Men are the existence of prime evil, therefore they have no rights at all.

So ultimately, this book only reinforces the message that women are the only ones that speak, since men are put on this earth to serve women. Again, perhaps a reason why Dr. Smith’s book didn’t receive that much criticism is because it serves this end perfectly for the new liberal vision of feminism which seeks to paint men as victims who are helpless and need the strong independent woman, government, or groups such as A Voice For Men to ride in and save them. Oddly enough, the goal of allowing feminism to stand (fourth-wave?) always happens.

So what of motivation, which is a big question for all women who take up such messages? Usually these messages are impure for that reason. I couldn’t find Dr. Smith’s vision for what is correct for inter-gender relations in her book or her blog. Clues always seem to come out (9:30 in the video) though which reinforces that the concerns these women have are always outside what is going on with men, and are concerned with their sons or other women who just can’t find their own personal man-slaves husbands. However, motivations were clearer with Suzanne Venker. As Dalrock wrote:

Telling the man he is responsible for financing and protecting the family but not leading it places him in a subordinate role. As others have pointed out, the difference between a driver and a chauffeur is who is calling the shots. Far too many self labeled “traditionalist” women want to put men in the driver’s seat as figureheads with the wives calling the shots; they are feminists who don’t want to get their hands dirty. The issue of headship is the litmus test which separates out truly traditional women and feminists in traditionalist clothing.

And again:

After all, in her opinion pieces Venker seems to get it at least somewhat right. At least she wants to allow men to be men in some ways (provide and protect), even if she is all about the strong independent woman. The problem is expecting men to continue with traditional gender roles while having no reciprocal expectation of women is a disaster. This is just another brand of feminism, where women have rights and men have responsibilities.

While Dalrock gets tantalizingly close to identifying traditionalists for the man-hating feminists that they are, what he does get right is Suzanne Venker’s motivation:

One might read that as suggesting that men are made to be servants to women, and women need to let men act as servants (and perhaps even consider their husband’s input when making decisions).

In other words, Suzanne Venker’s message is this: Women, we need to be kinder and gentler slave masters.

Helen Smith has been smart (perhaps) in not identifying what her vision is for what is right behavior between men and women in her book, though it casts her work into severe doubt. Motivation is a major factor of consideration when women parrot other men regarding men’s issues, since inevitably everything from the female perspective always seems to come back around to the issue of female benefit at the expense of men.

Regardless, the overriding issue is that a woman is speaking out at all for men when there are legions of men up to the task who are already doing it in blogs and other media. This only reinforces the feminist narrative that women are the only ones who are qualified to speak, the only ones to have a right to speak, and the only ones that have anything worthy to say. Sadly, a book such as Men On Strike only reinforces the feminist narrative in this way and likely only will do further damage to the cause of freedom for men.

Bonus Video:

The efforts of women who care about “men’s rights” would be better served addressing the moral, physical, and mental corruption of women due to their own actions – not being adult and taking responsibility for their own actions, including the support of female-supremacist hatred. Form your own “women’s responsibility movement”, and quit the Mrs. Doubtfire act.

11 Comments
  1. Excellent analysis Ballista I am working on a post that will probably integrate some of what you are talking about here, so thanks.

  2. This is the post TFH from Dalrock’s comments needs to read.

  3. @Rollo
    I thought of your story about why manosphere bloggers are anonymous you wrote in response to Aunt Giggles and thought I saw it in a post somewhere but couldn’t find it for the one written here. I only found the comment over on her site about 5 months ago:

    One of the inherent dangers of becoming the go-to guy on Game or anything that rubs the feminine defined reality the wrong way is that you paint a pretty big target on yourself. Literally and figuratively.

    You are only as anonymous online as your opinions make you nondescript. Piss off the wrong aspergers troll or Jezebel fanatic and they will hunt you down digitally. I’m becoming more aware of this as my own blog becomes more popular.

    While most people online might assumes a pseudonym for vanity sake, all but the most visible manosphere writer do so in order to protect their livelihoods. This is an aspect of blogging that even rad feminists will never have to consider.

    Guy’s writing in the manosphere put their lives and reputations at risk to do so. We assume personal, career and life impacting risks for assuming a countervailing perspective to the feminine imperative that even parttime feminists writing for Jezebel would never have to worry about.

    To paraphrase Roosh, if you write feminist boilerplate as a hobby on Jezebel you’re commended for making the world a better place; write about intergender dynamics from a male perspective and you become unemployable. Just ask the two programmers who lost their jobs over ‘dongle-gate’ courtesy of Adria Richards. They were fired for ‘crude humor’, now imagine if they’d written manosphere blogs.

    Was there ever an actual post? Point is, even in blogging, you have to think long and hard about what you say. But by contrast, a woman can write and say the same things and be applauded in this day and age.

  4. crimsonviceroy permalink

    Excellent post, Ballista. You guys do have to understand that Smith and Venker are trying to sell books so of course they will try to tickle the ears of their audience with the kind of honey that we all love to hear, while still remaining fully insulated from external threats because of their gender and their ambiguity in who to hold responsible for the mess that we are in today. They are in it to make money and I’m sure they have made their fair share in adopting the tenants of men’s rights and intergender politics. But as you said earlier, they are very much political moderates who enjoy all of the benefits they receive by the intransigent property of always being right by their sex. The only one that I could even see taking interest in what men go through for the sake of seeing real justice and a human empathy is Erin Pizzey as she has done credible work, to the point of actually receiving threats from the FemiNazi’s.

    But you are definitely spot on of it being an almost “Uncle Tom” message to Smith’s fellow “sister suffragettes” to tone down the heat. Smith’s nothing more than a rat scurrying off of a sinking ship but carrying the same foul cargo with her. I mean, take a look at the overall message at the end. Men are going on strike because marriage is no longer a good deal for men, then she goes on to laude the hook-up culture and then goes on to talk about how free sex has freed men, so once again, it becomes another warped perspective where it’s all about how men have it still better than women, even though she doesn’t quite come out and say it. The half-truths that she has to share are just as bad as the outright lies that the feminists talk about. The half-truths go to conflate the argument and it fails to conclude or get to the root cause and hold the people responsible who truly are responsible for this mess. Bruising women’s ego’s is probably the gravest sin any man can commit in this society. Even when they are collectively responsible for this mess, society expects men to pick up the tab either by white knighting (via all the ‘man up’ shaming articles on Huff-Po and Driscollite sermons) or alpha thug it (via gaming and compromising your own integrity to acquiesce to what women want). What she has to share is nothing new as everyone here has heard this stuff long time ago.

  5. evilwhitemalempire permalink

    On this issue of the world only listening to females when it comes to men’s rights.

    Just look at the gaming world. Where a man playing as a ‘woman’ gets loads of free stuff, help, advice, etc. from fellow players they’d never get playing as a man. (In fact it has aroused the ire of many MRA and MGTOW gamers!)

    It might be a good idea to start blogs, vid channels, etc. disguised as female.

    Not that skeptical people will be fooled (Well, they probably can be if you’re clever enough). But that’s not the point.

    With, of course, the exception of feminists, the majority of people’s prejudice against listening to men talk about men’s rights is simply psychological.

    Place a female face, name, feminine avatar and you’re writings, vids are judged totally differently.

    And the difference in treatment is entirely unconscious on the part of the viewer, reader, etc.

    Which means it doesn’t need to be a perfect deception!

  6. Piss off the wrong aspergers troll

    I wish I would have seen this when it was first written. More, I wish I would have written it first. If “aspergers troll” is an epithet dropped in posts often, Ive missed it. It struck me not only as hilarious, but keenly observant when consider the ahem, hard core manosphere female writers (not women who comment round here, but the ahem, leaders)

    Like donel, I have to write an offshoot of this. Its not about just restating the same thing at ballista differently. One particular thing jumped out and is a topic in and of itself.

    This is an outstanding post, comprehensive and necessary to get out there as men are so easily mesmerized when women drop manosphere vernacular in their writing, be they bloggers, authors, or just commenters. All of us if we are honest will experience some kind of momentary “hey thats cool” feeling when we read some of those blogs and comments (and books). Even those of us who know these points generally have that feeling on occasion. We have to consider all that ballista says here therefore because men just love inviting women into our spaces. And that is what my post is about.

  7. I had it out with “Typhon Blue” months ago regarding AVfM’s switch to “human” rights on her Youtube account and haven’t looked back. They are progressive humanists and that is all that oozes out of every pore. Second, if the sympathies of “the Wooly Bumblebee” are any indication they cannot stand the idea of men sitting in the driver seat. What those women (and men like John the Other) seem to be driving at is still the destruction of traditional (read Biblical) male headship.

    They are not our friends. They would have men follow the same lack of agency victim path that they set women on decades ago. Sorry, not my cup of tea guys (at AVfM).

  8. What this post proves is that the “red pill” is just another form of feminism. Otherwise, the Susan Walshs, Venkers, and Dr. Helens of the world wouldn’t be able to move from blue pill to red pill and back with such ease.

    Whenever a woman says she is “red pill”, she is just a feminist by another name. What’s really sad is how many men fall for this scam.

  9. What this post proves is that the “red pill” is just another form of feminism.

    You are definitely onto something if you make that statement about the majority of red pill women, and a goodly number of red pill men who rest in their wake

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