BD #1 – Women Are The More “Spiritual” Sex
As part of my blog posting hiatus, I did a handful of blog comments. It turns out that I developed part of a post I intended in responding to this post, entitled Why Are Women Better Christians than Men?.

Garage Sale Blog Bait.
In attending a garage sale, I happened to see a book by Dr. James Dobson entitled “Straight Talk to Men and Their Wives”. The price was right (15 cents) and the opportunity to parse a number of statements representative of the founder of Focus on the Family for the blog was hard to resist, so I jumped on it. This post starts a series I’m calling “Blogging Dobson”, which will discuss the statements I found interesting within the book. It should present the fact clearly that the current representatives of Focus on the Family aren’t very far from the original tree.
As sunshinemary’s post denotes, the idea of the woman being the more “spiritual” sex is a very common one that’s lasted for a very long time. As the Christianity Today article explains, women are better Christians than men are. But we have to look at the measure they are using in their judgement. This leads into Interesting Statement #1 from the book (1):
Why do I place such importance on the involvement of men in determining the survival of a culture? Because no modern society can exceed the stability of its individual family units, and women seem more aware of that fact than their husbands. Consider the evidence. Who reads the books on family living? Eighty percent are known to be women. Who attends seminars on meaningful family life? The majority are women. Who enrolls in Bible study classes devoted to Scriptural underpinnings of the family? Women outnumber men by an incredible margin. Who listens to family radio programs and cassette tapes [My Note: this was a book written in 1980] on marriage and parenthood? Once again they are likely to be female.
We clearly see the judgment that is being placed here, and it’s pointed out in Podles as well. Women are more “spiritual” in the eyes of these people because they are more likely to consume their offerings. Women are more likely to buy the books, listen to the tapes, listen to the radio shows, attend the conferences, frequent the church meetings, and so on. In other words, they play along with the Churchian proctors. They play along with the laws that men judge other men by and support them much more vigorously than the average man. The tone of the book is nothing different than what we find online from Focus On The Family and their ilk, and nothing different than we find from any other Churchian source. Women are the ones that run the churches and push the doctrine where ever they feel like
. It is no surprise, the women are the ones being heard, and the doctrine of the personal Jesus comes to the forefront and the objective Jesus goes away (see also Isaiah 30:9-11).
What of these pastors? It should not be a surprise that they have chosen to please these women instead of pleasing God in this process. They have gone the way of the world, seeking after their own appetites and profiting by warping the word of God to please these women.
And pleasing these women has turned into a very profitable enterprise, as can be seen by walking into the average Christian book store. The doctrine has changed to suit them, and the environment has changed to suit them, so much so that it is considered effeminate in many circles to be fully involved in Churchian activities. (2) It is not surprising that everything is done to create a feminine environment in these places, since 75% of the purchases with Christian bookstores involve women. (3) Women authors also outnumber the men by about 13 to 1. (4) Christian music stations draw an audience that is 63% female. (5) K-Love, America’s largest syndicated Christian radio network, explicitly targets everything they do to females aged 18-45. (5)
It is also not surprising that given the number of women who are single or are in “loveless marriages” that the industry of the Christian “romance novel” has cropped up, (4), causing a reflection and change in doctrine towards marriage. Murrow writes (4):
But not everything is so chaste. Christian self-help books are prodding women to become lusty — toward Jesus. Many famous authors vigorously encourage women to imagine Jesus as their personal lover. One tells her readers to “develop an affair with the one and only Lover who will truly satisfy your innermost desires: Jesus Christ”. A well-known Christian author says to his female readers, “at times, Jesus will be more of a husband to you than the man of flesh that you married. And while your husband may wonderfully meet many of your needs, only the Bridegroom can and will meet all your needs.” Another offers this breathless description of God’s love: “This Someone entered your world and revealed to you that He is your true Husband. Then He dressed you in a wedding gown whiter than the whitest linen. You felt virginal again. And alive! He kissed you with grace and vowed never to leave you or forsake you. And you longed to go and be with Him.”
What is the result of these “traditional” teachings that deviate from God’s will? Most men who are not hoodwinked into Churchianity will see these things for what they are and reject the entire system since Churchianity is choked with it. Van Rooinek wrote in response to my original quoting of Dr. Dobson:
Because men —
(a) don’t need those stupid books,
(b) correctly recognize that much of what’s in the books is [bull dung], and
(c) work 14 hour days to feed their families, so they don’t have the time to read that crap.Nearly everything I need to know about family living, I learned from my conservative but nonreligious Dad (he was raised in church, but angrily rejected it as a young man… and I’m starting to understand why.) But he never “taught” me any of it; I just WATCHED him, and copied him. And it works.
Jesus spoke to such things as well:
But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition? (Matthew 15:3)
And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition. (Matthew 15:6)
Jesus said these things to the Pharisees regarding their question of hand-washing. (Matthew 15:1-9) We ultimately have an environment now, where “faith in God” is measured by doing all the works. Churchianity is a work-based faith, where those who are doing the right things in the eyes of the Pastors and the Women are considered “pleasing before God”. It should not be a surprise that what was said here is true of those today.
Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying, This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. (Matthew 15:7-9)
It’s not hard to suggest that the Churchian proctors and women are the Pharisees of today!
Dobson continues in writing (1):
What I’m saying is that Christian women, to a large extent, are already motivated to preserve their families. And though I hate to admit it. women often know more than their husbands about the role God ordained for men.
This is complete and utter garbage, proven false time and time again. In fact, it could be argued that Dobson’s Focus On The Family and his colleagues are contributing to the problem by their traditional false doctrine, set out to please women and not please God.
As it has been proven, women are indeed the more “spiritual” sex. But that “spirituality” is reflected in the judgement of pastors and Christian media by the fact that women are consuming their “Christian product” – in fact, they are measured in how “Godly” they are by the degree which they consume these things. Churchian spirituality is not the same as the God-honoring Holy Spirit – in fact it is a much different spirit entirely. This spirit should be avoided at all costs!
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(1) “Straight Talk to Men and Their Wives” by Dr. James C. Dobson page 22
(2) Why Men Hate Going To Church by David Murrow page 60.
(3) ibid page 64. (4) ibid page 65. (5) ibid page 66.
Trackbacks & Pingbacks
- BD #2 – The Damage of Divorce On Children | The Society of Phineas
- - Here’s what I’ve been reading this week. | The Woman and the Dragon
- BD #3 – When You’re Crowned King Nothing | The Society of Phineas
- The Beam In Both Eyes | JayBee's Pancakes
- BD #4 – Coronating Her Personal Jesus | The Society of Phineas
- BD #5 – It’s All Your Fault For Not Submitting To Your Wife. | The Society of Phineas
- BD #6 – Making Sure The Wife Feels Loved. | The Society of Phineas
- BD #7 – The Basic Concept Behind The Man-Up Rant. | The Society of Phineas
- Commentary on Christians on Marriage | Thinking 8
- BD #8 – Ruled By Feelings And Emotions. | The Society of Phineas
- Society of Phineas – The Best of 2013 | The Society of Phineas
- The Malaise of Churchianity | The Society of Phineas
- Jesus Is Not Your Husband | The Society of Phineas
- What Keeps Men Out Of The Church? | The Society of Phineas
A little off-topic but something else I had on hand regarding the influence of these kinds of things on men. Commenter Gunner451 writes on Dalrock:
I actually do believe that women are more ‘spiritual’ than men. The majority of mediums and psychics are women (although in my country the very top psychics are male homosexuals). Women are far more apt to be interested in ‘spirituality’ than are men — who prefer football.
But God doesn’t want ‘spiritual’ people. Yogis are ‘spiritual’. Buddhists are ‘spiritual’.
God wants individuals who will hear, heed and obey His Word.
The Witch of Endor was ‘spiritual’.
@ballista
Good post, and another disturbing reminder of how prevalent these sexist views are in mainstream teaching. I’ll take it to heart and be more on guard.
Mensch may have answered my question, but I’ll pose it anyhow, looking for clarification. What do you mean by “spiritual” in this context?
As it has been proven, women are indeed the more “spiritual” sex.
There is no citation and I’m guessing that you mean this in a “mystical” way? That is the thrust of Mensch’s comment, and I tend to agree that women are less objective with their views of truth.
Mensch answered it. “Spiritual” (the quotes are intentional) basically meaning “stuff outside of Godly things”. Mediums, witchcraft, astrology, and so on. Even the things of Churchianity. Feel-good stuff that makes them think they are following God when they are really not. Things that have assigned mystical or spiritual (little s) meaning, but are not of the Holy Spirit or God in any way.
I left the following comment on Sun Shine Mary’s article that was referred to at the start of this post:
“Woman are good at womanly Christianity. Men experience it differently.
Women process religion as feelings. “Jesus loves me! I am so close to God! It feels good!” I think many Christian men have encountered women who devoutly worship the Holy Trinity of me! me! me! For women Christianity gives good feelings.
Men do religion to know what is true and false, what is good and evil, what must I do to be worthy of the promises of God? Am I in a state of sin, and what must I do to be worthy of salvation? For men Christianity is seldom fun. There are many crosses to bear.
In terms of salvation, women do not come factory equipped with a conscience. The manosphere is full of references to the ‘rationalisation hamster’. Women can always come up with a reason with why God is cool with what they have done. I do not believe that God holds women eternally accountable for their sins.
We are men. We come with a conscience. We may be held eternally accountable for our unrepented sins. That is why we are not offended when reminded that we are not good Christians. We are or should be aware that we are unworthy of the free sacrifice of Jesus on the cross.
In the present age women are often held up as examples of good Christians, and men are expected to follow women’s rules and have a joyful experience of God. A lot of men drift away because we cannot have that experience. “Either there is something wrong with me, or something wrong with God”. “
There was a quote in the body of this post:
A well-known Christian author says to his female readers, “at times, Jesus will be more of a husband to you than the man of flesh that you married. And while your husband may wonderfully meet many of your needs, only the Bridegroom can and will meet all your needs.” Another offers this breathless description of God’s love: “This Someone entered your world and revealed to you that He is your true Husband. Then He dressed you in a wedding gown whiter than the whitest linen. You felt virginal again. And alive! He kissed you with grace and vowed never to leave you or forsake you. And you longed to go and be with Him.”
Sounds like chick porn, doesn’t it?
Jesus is THE MAN. He is Lord of all. No Christian husband can compete with “boyfriend Jesus”. There is no indication in the selected quotes that a husband is supposed to meet certain emotional, and material needs to the wife, and that she is supposed to meet certain nurturing, and intimacy needs of the husband.
I suspect I have not the only marriage for which there is no place for a Christian husband when the wife and “boyfriend Jesus” are so intimate. I deal with this by focusing on Jesus by myself. I can not pray with my wife without feeling resentment towards Our Lord.
My two previous comments are not intended to claim that men are better Christians than women. There is a place in the church for the emotional experience of God, but it needs to be moderated and brought into the reality of the world by men.
@RICanuck
Yes, I think that this is fair description of the difference between the sexes.
So women don’t need The Atonement? So there will be no women in Hell? Really?!
…But women aren’t, you think? That sounds more like earth than Heaven…
Oh dear. Have you spoken to your wife about this?
And what church do you attend? You seem to be having some serious theological problems: have you spoken with anyone about these?
@Mensch
I am well aware I have serious spiritual and theolgical problems, far worse than you realise. Confession and prayer has help protect me from despair. My pastor has even asked if I would consider civil divorce, with the caveat that I would have to live celibate for the rest of my life.
I may very well be wrong about women’s consiences, and most women may very well commit culpable sin. I said women do not come factory equipped with a consience. Many women do grow a consience, but it seems to be a very painful process.
Yes, I have spoken with my wife, but she is the holy one in tight with ‘boyfriend Jesus’. I will not describe the very ugly, and frustrating give and take of the last 5 or 6 years of marriage. I am well aware that I have committed many sins against my wife and marriage.
Who reads the books on family living? Eighty percent are known to be women. Who attends seminars on meaningful family life? The majority are women. Who enrolls in Bible study classes devoted to Scriptural underpinnings of the family? Women outnumber men by an incredible margin. Who listens to family radio programs and cassette tapes [My Note: this was a book written in 1980] on marriage and parenthood? Once again they are likely to be female.
Because men are…
(a) too busy earning a living to waste time on that crap (and for a man, without money there is no relationship).
(b) not gullible enough to fall for all that crap, most of which is wrong anyway.
Sola Scriptura.
Jesus is THE MAN. He is Lord of all. No Christian husband can compete with “boyfriend Jesus”.
This is an old heresy. This book refutes it (read free online):
http://www.podles.org/church-impotent.htm
Who attends seminars on meaningful family life? The majority are women. Who enrolls in Bible study classes devoted to Scriptural underpinnings of the family? Women outnumber men by an incredible margin
Oh, yeah: Holding the damn seminars and classes at 10 AM on a Tuesday pretty much rules out any man that makes enough money to afford to get married. DUH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@RICanuck
I’m sorry to hear that. Perhaps you can give us an outline — maybe we can offer some help.
Yikes. What kind of church is this? …Your wife apparently sees Jesus as a replacement for you, and your pastor’s telling you to consider leaving her?! The Scriptural solution more likely involves leaving him! Seriously, it sounds like you might need a new church, there…
The Bible is your friend. Just read the Scriptures — start with the Old Testament. God clearly holds women accountable for their sins. Read the Law which God gave to Israel (e.g. here) to see just how culpable He says women are for their sin. It’s impossible to read of the likes of Athaliah and Jezebel without concluding that God holds women responsible for their wickedness and punishes them, just as He does men. …Even in the New Testament (God zapped Sapphira as well as Ananias).
No. We are made in God’s image, and both sexes have a conscience. However, we live in a society which encourages women to kill their conscience (e.g. in order to “build self-esteem”), and transfer all culpability they may feel to men. This is the Devil’s work and the church must fight it. All throughout Scripture, He has used women to bring down men: it’s not that women are inherently more evil than men — it’s just that they are different, and Satan knows well how to exploit these differences to his own ends.
Well, it’s good to know that your conscience still works, anyway! As I say — and I’m sure I speak for Ballista, too — if you wish to discuss your problems, we’re happy to help you find answers in Scripture. (If you wish to speak in confidence, then ask Ballista for my e-mail.)
The Bible really is man’s friend. Unfortunately most men nowadays think it’s a tool for women to beat men over the head with.
@Mensch
The best response to my comments may be found here:
http://empathological.wordpress.com/2013/01/31/a-one-sided-conversation-with-dr-moore/#comments
…And your best answer is still The Bible. Not the teachings of men.
RICanuck:
You read my mail from 10 years ago. I have tread your path, I think. And I share your belief that many a man is secondary to The Personal Jesus…..for those tempted to pounce saying that he should be…..you misunderstand the point utterly.
Mensch says:we live in a society which encourages women to kill their conscience (e.g. in order to “build self-esteem”), and transfer all culpability they may feel to men. This is the Devil’s work and the church must fight it. All throughout Scripture, He has used women to bring down men: it’s not that women are inherently more evil than men — it’s just that they are different, and Satan knows well how to exploit these differences to his own ends.
This gets to the point I flirted with and do not feel comfortable saying outright when I wrote in that linked post that Dr Moore warned that a good marriage attracts the wrong kind of spirits, spiritual warfare ensues, and no quarter is spared…..including that originating from the pulpit. Its not just a culture (implication being secular), that would be easier to dismiss, it is the subtle and profound corruption of each and every aspect of scripture set to women, or to the marriage relationship. How better to set in motion a torrent of social pathology than to spew children of divorce and all manner of fatherless lives into the world than to drive the destruction of marriage by making the behaviors appeal to the Christian-ness of the people, and offer a Personal Jesus to the wife to easily meet her every need and whim. The Personal Jesus is the perfect mate because in reality the personal Jesus IS HER, her emotions, her instability, that cloud of churning feelings that resides over her nearly always…..whatever that storm needs, it gets, from the Personal Jesus….from herself.
I suffered even that resentment you mention, and I will admit that I do not, still, often pray together with my wife just the two of us, and likely never will. I still resent that the churchian church has it that this is a biblical precept on the task list of being a spiritual leader in the home….maybe yes, some resentment there, but I find it feeds the Personal Jesus issue rather than the recognition of a holy, awesome, scary, and loving God.
I’m going to do a more in-depth post about this soon, but its not so much using women to bring down men, it’s men consenting to it by allowing their women to rebel against God. Of course, it’s the Devil perverting certain God-given features of men for his own use, but the root sin problem that needs addressed is on the men to repent of (worship and idolatry of women, along with vagina addiction) – it’s much different than the Churchians say. In fact, the Churchians won’t ever preach anything that will threaten its power base – in fact, this is their greatest fear, simply because if a large degree of men were to repent of this, all of Churchianity would be destroyed.
@empathologicalism
I remember we have responded to each other’s comments on another Christian red pill blog. You asked why I didn’t pray with my wife. Now we both know why.
@Ballista
Scripture shows that Satan will attack men through women. What you say fleshes this out a bit: his attack is successful, because — as you point out — men are apt to make idols of women, and this leads them to their destruction. We have today’s female-dominated society largely because our forefathers turned away from God and His ways: indeed, it is a form of judgement on men.
“Psychic events, I discovered, are mind events, ego events, arts like psychology and astrology and palmistry, which relate to what shape my ego is in today – what are the stars predicting for me today? – ego stuff.
Spiritual events, on the other hand, are beyond the ego, beyond the sights and sounds and visualizations and verbalizations we use to construct our world. Psychic teachings come from parts of California and New York and India. Spiritual teachings come from sitting quietly in a chair or watching babies sleep. Psychic events are sensual; spiritual events are outside the senses.
And I might as well spit it out right now: psychic events are essentially feminine and spiritual events are overwhelmingly masculine. Women who break their minds out of the psychic swamp are few and far between.”
– Rich Zubaty