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Submission In Traditional Marriage

I found this comic at another non-porn secular site. Despite the BDSM and homosexual overtones, it describes the typical dynamic of submission in traditional marriage when it comes to traditional feminism. I sought a source and found it to come from an erotic comic blog (be warned if you follow the link).

Anyway, I found it too good to pass up as commentary. Besides there was nothing objectionable beyond what was stated. Just imagine the blonde to be a wife, and the brunette to be a husband and it nails Marriage 2.0 perfectly.


“I have this fantasy of being a loving wife and mother who submits to her husband. Want to court me?”

“I’m interested, but what is it to you to submit to your husband?”

“I’m submissive in the sense that I don’t want to do any work or take any responsibility. So to dominate me, you’ll just need to do everything I want. Usually before I know I want it.”

“So, when you say ‘I’m submissive’, you mean ‘I’m lazy and demanding’ ”

Nailed it.

Prejudice Is The Problem

Previously, the idea of the burden of judgment was brought up. The burden is such that we are too easily influenced in terms of the penalty or even executing that penalty. This is illustrated in the wisdom that has evolved in the justice system where jury, sentence, and execution are all divided so that no one person decides these things. I heard the question of what the punishment will be by more than one juror, and the only proper answer was the old phrase “that’s above our pay grade”. Just like deciding guilt was above the judge’s pay grade, and execution is above both the jury and judge’s pay grade. In such a system when it is righteous, it recognizes our weaknesses – our tendency for blood lust, and our tendency to be lenient to those we identify with. That said, none of it is easy and in the light of judgment of conscience, no one claimed that it was anything other than “very hard”.

Justice: Balanced and Blind (Source:

Justice: Balanced and Blind (Source:

Righteous judgment is a burden, which primarily involves objectivity, and impartiality. Scripture bears this out in spades. Firstly, it speaks of waiting to make up your mind until you’ve heard the whole story:

He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him. (Proverbs 18:13)

I was a father to the poor: and the cause which I knew not I searched out. (Job 29:16)

Doth our law judge any man, before it hear him, and know what he doeth? (John 7:54)

The other issue to bring to light is impartiality in terms of not holding favor to one party for other reasons than the case at hand.

Moreover thou shalt provide out of all the people able men, such as fear God, men of truth, hating covetousness; . . . And let them judge the people at all seasons: and it shall be, that every great matter they shall bring unto thee, but every small matter they shall judge: so shall it be easier for thyself, and they shall bear the burden with thee. (Exodus 18:21-22) [the concept of the multi-tiered judicial system]

Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honor the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour. (Leviticus 19:15)

These things also belong to the wise. It is not good to have respect of persons in judgment. (Proverbs 24:23)

Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment. (John 7:24)

Justice is supposed to be completely impartial, but is also the place where the righteous are defended against the wicked (Psalm 82:2-4), especially the righteous weak against the wicked powerful. Righteous justice is the place where equality reigns. No matter what place you come from, or what you are. Impartiality is so prized that we were not supposed to talk to anyone else involved in the trial, nor discuss the case before the deliberations with the jury or talk about it period before the verdict was handed down.

If you followed this blog, you know where this is going. I mentioned in the previous post that this was an alleged pedophile.

This happened to be a woman.

Part of judging objectively with others is not bringing your prejudices to the party. When I talked about what I was doing, I left out the sex of the person as I should (and pushed myself to during the presentation of the case). It’s notable that two different people automatically interjected the word “he”. Women are good and men are bad.

So a woman could NEVER do such a thing. Right? Right?

This question blared in my mind during the trial. Is this woman being treated the same as if it were a man in that chair? If this woman is guilty, will she be sentenced the same as if she is a man and not get the p**** pass? If the victim were not a young girl, would it have even been considered?

Women are chaste, angelic beings who are closer to Godwho could never do evil things, at least not without being pushed. Men are chattel put on this earth to provide and protect for women as penance for the evil sin of being born a man.

Prejudices like what I encountered above, are what men are running into with marriage, and what are creating the buzzsaw of the family courts. Prejudices like this are what is driving rape culture, where all men are seen as potential rapists. Prejudices like this are what causes men to not be seen as fathers and women as “natural mothers”. Prejudices like this are what causes the family courts to preserve the role of the husband in “traditional marriage” by requiring child support no matter what, but not requiring visitation of the children in return. Prejudices like this make people see a difference between what family courts do and traditional marriage. These prejudices are what causes so many blue-pill truths to stand, even in the vaunted manosphere. Unfortunately, prejudice is getting formed in the other direction, as well.

Prejudices like this color many of our judgments, and to be righteous it requires us to eliminate them. Being in these circles for three years found an interesting investigation into such matters. As discussed before, by necessity of this world, we cast judgments on many things. The two I mentioned failed in righteous judgment, as do many others. They did not hear the case fully, and by prejudice automatically assumed it was a man on trial.

Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. (Matthew 7:1-2)

While discussed before, this verse found an interesting personification, that can be extended to any case and situation:

If I am in that defendant’s chair, would I want me as a juror, thinking the way I am?

My conscience was clean after the trial was over. I don’t believe I treated her any less nor any harsher because she was a woman. And while the case brought visions of Solomon to mind, I believe the right decision was arrived upon by this twelve. The Judge will be the one to decide all things in His appointed time, but He will in His loving-kindness, as the best possible job was done in that jury room.

The Burden of Judgment

One of the interesting things that I’ve been involved with in my “busy” times is serving time on a jury for a trial. While I won’t talk much about the details (they’re mostly not important), what I plan to talk about is a number of spiritual lessons that came to the forefront as I did this.

Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. (2 Peter 3:6-9)

This is the passage that first struck me upon hearing the situation after being selected. We attribute certain attributes to the God of the Old Testament that we don’t in the New Testament simply because of our own fallen natures, even though God was always the same, yesterday, today, and forever. We expect swift retribution when we are wronged. We even thirst for blood when we see people who are like us that we perceive are wronged. I saw these things in spades in the process of voir dire and in talking with others about what happened after the fact. We assign ourselves onto God in everything. But God is not like that.

Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel? (Ezekiel 33:11)

I can say personally while I know people who would take pleasure in “giving that lawbreaker what they deserve”, I definitely didn’t and no one who made it into that jury did. Anyone who has any understanding of God wouldn’t. Because He doesn’t thirst to punish people. Once I realized that I was going to represent one-twelfth of the decision that might put a person in a prison cell for years (not to mention the stigma of being a sex offender), I started realizing in a very personal way the burden that judgment represents, and why announced judgments of God always have that word associated with them.

Executing judgment is very hard.

Most all of us said that when the judge asked us at the end. Especially when you consider the burden required for righteous judgment. Perhaps one of the things that would have made me feel the burden more in this case than in many others is being aware of the gravity of the situation from a worldly standpoint. Note, we judge all the time in all things. We are never told to not judge at all, but to judge righteously. This world, this life, and the way it is requires judgment.

And the Lord passed by before him, and proclaimed, The Lord, The Lord God, merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abundant in goodness and truth, Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty; visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children’s children, unto the third and to the fourth generation. (Exodus 34:6-7)

God hates this burden and this consequence so much that out of His love, He has sent His only begotten Son, to shed His blood and bear the judgment for each and every one of us, if we only may repent.

We have the tendency as to either not take this gift at all, or not respect the gift and thumb our noses at God and turn the shoulder to Him with regards to how to live life. Shall we continue in sin? God forbid!

Shall we take Him lightly simply because by His love He has chosen to give us every opportunity to avoid the just eternal punishment? Mind you, not just for our sakes, but for His? Judgment is referred to as God’s strange work, because He really doesn’t want to do it, and consequently does it rarely.

It would be wise to not mistake God’s long suffering and kindness for weakness. Because He will for the sake of His people who have honored His name and walked in righteousness, if He must. The answer in 2 Peter is not to live at ease before God in your own ways, following after yourself, but to surrender yourself to Him and His ways:

Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? (2 Peter 3:11-12)

The Society of Phineas – Three Years, Three Hundred Posts

It’s the three year anniversary of this blog. And the rumours of my demise are greatly exaggerated.

There’s always a degree of pontification when one looks back. One grows, one changes, one starts to see things. As I wrote previously, I talked about how one can notice an evolution in what you want to write, and the audience’s expectations. As a iron rule, the ones that are the most successful in any media are the ones telling their audience exactly what they want to hear. This is true of every “successful” blog, in the manosphere or otherwise. One thing to be sure is that I’ve never been about prostituting myself in the name of success.

If one follows, the manosphere has gotten decidedly blue-pill. In other words, it decidedly favors the “traditional feminist” pattern of marriage, which involves the submission of men to women, and especially the subservience of men to women. You can even see this in the conflicts going on in the more red-pill portions of the manosphere (namely the MGTOW section) where the blue-pill “manosphere” is undertaking attacks upon it. In a way though, these attacks are good as they are revealing the blue-pill, “one blowjob away”, supplicators to women in the manosphere (via Game or other means) for who they are when they comment on MGTOW. When the women come into the manosphere to gather their slaves back to the plantation with the promises they will be kinder and gentler slave masters, there are unfortunately a number of men that are just submitting like good little boys. For instance, not seeing this for the hamster droppings that it represents reveals much.

This extends to many other topics which I’ve commented on recently, and others. So many of them are so evident that they only take one sentence to reveal themselves and cause you to stop, so I really haven’t bothered to blog on them. I considered writing on Eliot Rodger’s manifesto as many others did, but got to the second sentence and it told me all I needed to know:

All I ever wanted was to fit in and live a happy life amongst humanity, but I was cast out and rejected, forced to endure an existence of loneliness and insignificance, all because the females of the human species were incapable of seeing the value in me.

Then there’s Recovering Biblical Manhood and Womanhood from the feminist thinkers at the Council on Biblical Manhood and Womanhood. All it takes is getting to Page 29 to see this (as it appears in text, minus my bolding for emphasis):



Naturally, traditional feminism shows itself through both quotes: Men were put on this earth as a chattel class in order to provide and protect women, their betters. Consequently a man’s value is wrapped up in the validation and approval of women, and his measure as a “good man” is how well he submits to woman and proves himself “worthy”. I see this again and again in the manosphere in all quarters, even in the nonsense they cook up which always falls when submitted to scrutiny. Complete blue-pill traditionalists like these quotes, the ones talking red-pill but promoting blue-pill activities (purple-pills) like most of the manosphere. I keep reading and reading things consistent with the CBMW definitions. “The value of a man is how often his dick gets wet.” “The value of a man is whether he is yoked to a woman in slavery.” After all, remember much of the world, including the manosphere, would tell us that men would just wallow in their own crapulence if there wasn’t a woman in the general vicinity to bark orders to him. And I wouldn’t be surprised, if pushed, that the majority of the manosphere acceepts the CBMW definition.

Perhaps, that, coupled with my evolution towards focusing on the feminist elements of traditionalism in my writing has caused me to see much more of these things over the last year. Just tumbling deeper down the rabbit hole on the quest for truth… It’s interesting that three years of thinking on the topics of this blog have revealed to me that 3/4 of Keoni’s list (that I’ve read) are blue-pillers that I would consider feminist bloggers. Who would be like Cypher and want to go back knowing the truth of female domination?

Most of the topics I have in mind in the future when the time presents itself (I can’t sit around researching blog posts and chattering on blogs and Facebook all day every day like many) involve many of the things I’ve already spoken of on comments here and there.

Onward and further down the rabbit hole . . .


Until further notice, all comments will be moderated, as I’ve had very little time to check the blog as of late. If you comment on something, please be patient, and I’ll release them as I see them.

Nobody Wants To Die

The true state of man, even after the acceptance of Christ, is never taught and never realized by a large constituency of Churchians. This subtle shift in the true nature of the believer has caused many problems with respect to doctrine. We are reminded that “It’s Not About Me”, and are told that “It’s About Jesus”.

Yet so many churches, and books choose to reduce discipleship to relationship and reduce the problem of evil to a passion problem. It is a requirement to recognize what we are before the Lord, before we can truly come before the Lord with a broken spirit, and a humble and contrite heart. (Psalm 51:17) In other words, it never is made to be about us, before we make it about Christ. Or it’s not recognized that death must occur before a resurrection can happen. Much like lessening the power of the Lion of Judah, our typical arrogance puffs ourselves up in pride.

The whole premise of the personal Jesus, and their view of love and grace, would never allow the truth to come out. A romantic relationship where the bride is seen as disgusting, and is expected to “do everything I say” to express love is one that isn’t too appetizing.

While Kyle Idleman falls far short of his stated goal, he makes an interesting statement:

I will talk more about repentance than forgiveness, more about surrender than salvation, more about brokenness than happiness, and more about death than life. (1)

It is also a true statement. To summarize it, we need to come to an ultimate recognition of bankruptcy of self before the Lord. We can’t bring anything other than what we truly are before Him to receive mercy.

A Call to Repentance is Required For Forgiveness
God links repentance with forgiveness in Scripture. Churchians are easy to claim blanket forgiveness upon themselves by forgetting the requirement of repentance.

If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land. (2 Chronicles 7:14)

Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord. (Acts 3:19)

If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. (1 John 1:9)

Our human nature removes these unpleasant conditionals out of our consciousness. We don’t want to see what “us” really is, and what grace really represents. The unmerciful servant (Matthew 18:21-35) is a reminder of such things. Our recognition of forgiveness for a debt stems from the grace we receive from the Lord for our debts. We are not on good ground without the recognition of those debts (Matthew 18:26). It is better to seek out your own repentance. When we humble ourselves in this way, forgiveness of others will come.

To Finish The Race, It Is A Requirement to Surrender
There are those who object to the word salvation given its nature, but the requirement stands for us to surrender our lives in return for salvation. Churchians would have us believe that salvation is once-and-for-all event with no follow-up in faith required, leaving men in their sin and making the life in Jesus an easy thing. We are told to run the race (1 Corinthians 9:24-27; Hebrews 12:1-2) and lay aside every weight and every sin.

Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it. For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul? (Matthew 16:24-26)

Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. (Acts 4:12)

For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. (Ephesians 2:8-9)

Surrendering means giving up trying to get things done your way. Salvation is found in no other device of man. Not man’s wisdom or knowledge. Not by the names of other men or other gods. Only by the name of Jesus. To finish the race requires you to recognize what “you” really is and reject it.

Seek Brokenness, Not Happiness
When we recognize that our devices won’t cut it, brokenness comes. It is better to focus on what we are, than be happy in the Personal Jesus. We stop valuing these things that we previously held onto, and find better things. The Kingdom of God is blocked in our lives by holding onto the things of the flesh and the things of the world. The Churchians would focus on having “your best life now” instead of recognizing the value of this life and making the best life later through believing the promises of God.

Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal: But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal: For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also (Matthew 6:19-21)

The Rich Young Ruler (Luke 18:18-26) and The Rich Fool (Luke 12:13-21) come to mind as examples. Do you take stock in what you have in this life and lay up treasures here or do you lay up treasures in the life to come?

The Christian Embraces Death And Not Life
The world and the Churchians resist this idea. When you recognize what you are, you recognize that you are a rotten corpse. The wages of sin is death (Romans 6:23), but to get life in Christ Jesus requires that we die to this life in surrender to Christ, and reborn as a new creature in Christ.

For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: but whosoever will lose his life for my sake, the same shall save it. (Luke 9:24)

If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God. Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth. For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God. When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory. (Colossians 3:1-4)

I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. (Galatians 2:20)

Our righteousness is as filthy rags. (Isaiah 64:6) We are rotten to our very cores. What the Churchians get wrong is that we are any different after the “salvation moment” than before. The difference comes in action dictated by faith, for salvation is by faith. This is running the race. This is seeing how disgusting we are, being repelled by the sin within us. This is being renewed of mind (Romans 12:1-2), for God hates sin and wants nothing to do with it.

We are told these things in Romans 6 as part of the description of baptism, another beautiful physical representations of a spiritual reality, when it’s done right (The Greek baptizo implies immersion). Into the water, represents being buried in death with Christ. Coming out of the water represents being raised up to life to walk in the new.

However, this is not a set event, but a decision made out of faith to live in that new life each day. The remission of sin is not the elimination of sin. We are just as disgusting to God coming out of the water. That’s the sin nature. It is arrogance to think any more of ourselves. It always requires repentance, surrender, and brokeness. It requires to see the rotting corpse that you really are, and see it as so. For Jesus to put what we bring to the table in terms of death should drive home this fact.

I could quote a whole legion of Scriptures telling us what we are when not in Christ. You will never hear any of them preached in the average church today. The decision has been made to put other factors over true discipleship. Simply put, people don’t want to hear the negatives about themselves. They only want to feel good walking out the door with those warm fuzzies, excited about the next Churchian event. Jesus bids them to come and die so they might live in Him, but they simply do not want to do so.

But praise be to God that I don’t have to show up before Him in my old disgusting rags, and have my life known for what it is. I’m sick and tired of what I really am. The Lord has extended mercy by executing justice on His Son instead. I have put on the robes He gives me. I am made alive, transformed, living that new life in Christ as a living image of Christ, as a new creation in Christ Jesus. That is what I am now, but I know that isn’t me, but Christ in me. I know today’s church is not reflective of Jesus, but know that doesn’t change who Jesus is or what He can do. That new life can be yours, too. All it takes is accepting it.

(1) Not A Fan by Kyle Idleman p15

Previous Easter posts: The Son Of Man Is Lifted Up For Our SinsGod Offers His Passover Lamb

A Society of Phineas Glossary

I have added a series of pages which represents a glossary of terms used over the course of the blog, which you can find on the link above.  Please feel free to offer any comments on the main page (as the comments on each individual page are disabled).



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